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Post by Ghouldrool on Mar 19, 2008 16:04:50 GMT -6
I never charge extra for packaging when I ship something. What, you didn't make any profit on the item you sold, already? Oh, give it up, you did. You think you'd have gotten more for it on a garage sale? *laughs* So what if you use some tape? Surely, you had the tape lying about already. Nobody can convince me they bought a role of tape to use exclusively for my package. You really want to charge me per inch of tape, what kind of a nitpick are you? As for the box, you can find cardboard boxes *everywhere*. Don't give me the secure packaging fable, either. If you can't find a way to package an item securely using *free* newspaper and standard cardboard boxes, you have a severe creativity problem. You're not shipping a Ming vase. So next, I'm paying for someone's *time*? Or 'trouble' ? Get outta here. So if I give you a phonecall, does that cost include extra because you had to take the trouble to walk to the phone and the time to talk to me?
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Post by sanfords2 on Mar 19, 2008 16:22:15 GMT -6
I use a lot of recycled boxes, but to minimize postage, I do buy a lot of small boxes for shipping individual figures. I could use a larger box, but then I'd have to charge the Buyer more to cover postage. If anyone can tell me where I can get an unlimited supply of free used 3 x 3 x 6 inches boxes, then please let me know.
I also only use recycled packaging material. If you've ever gotten anything from me, you can be certain that it's been wrapped in a plastic Piggly Wiggly bag! I have my whole family saving bags for me, and there are times when it does get tight and I run out. I have to get creative then by wrapping the figure in plastic wrap (I have a huge roll of stretch wrap) and taping it to the bottom of a box. I don't like to use newspaper because the ink can rub off on things and it's heavy.
I charge about $1 to $2 for handling. Delivery Confirmation comes out of this (75 cents), price of a box (35 - 75 cents), tape (1 cent), fragile stickers (5 cents), magic marker assorted colors (1 cent), toner cartridge ink for printing labels (1 - 2 cents), printing paper (2 cents), internet provider monthly usage charge (5 cents), electricity to run my computer (8 cents), glasses - lenses and frames so I can see the computer screen (10 cents), but I don't charge for gas!
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Post by toyboxraider on Mar 19, 2008 17:44:15 GMT -6
Only charge what the post office asks for. That is it. Nothing else. I sold for years to pay for my hobby and that is how I did it. Used free boxes, free plastic bags/newspaper/extra peanuts from my own orders, tape I had or needed anyway, free time, and the free hands I was born with. Never had one single complaint.
Maybe I should have calculated electricity cost to power my scooter back then to get around, lol.
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Post by brcthrift on Mar 19, 2008 18:59:06 GMT -6
Actually, I do consider all of the costs in shipping stuff because I sell too. I only upcharge my stuff $1.80 - and that covers new boxes, packing material, etc. I think someone who is charging more than $3 is just trying to make extra money. I've always been of the opinion that buyers should pay for packaging because they want their item shipped safely - but to me eBay and Paypal fees should not be figured in, as they are part of the cost of doing business. I agree completely. I try to use recycled packing materials whenever I can, and can usually reuse a lot of stuff. To ship most action figures costs between 1.80-3 for postage and another 2-3 bucks for materials. If I can reuse materials I will pass that savings on. I also try to offer my buyers a few mailing options. I can generally knock the shipping charges in half if the buyer will agree to take a bubble mailer. I despise buyers who try to re-coup fees through up charging on shipping and I would never do that. Also I wish e-bay would integrate the pay-pal fees into the monthly invoice as it would make tax time alot easier. I get the feeling most of you are casual sellers. If you are a full time seller you would see the impact all the packing materials have on your bottom line. If I did not charge for packing materials, when re-usable ones were not available, my profit margin would shrink to around 15% which would make it a waste of my time to sell. Charging for packing materials I keep my profit margin around 60%.
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Post by TheWatcher on Mar 20, 2008 12:37:22 GMT -6
I have to agree with Toybox. I have never had to charge for supplies as I have tons of extra stuff from my own purchases. Boxes of all sizes, packing materials, etc. I think most people here on the forum are very good at not over-charging on shipping. I think the ones that piss people off on ebay are the ones who charge $8.00 to ship 1 action figure. I once had a guy charge me $8.00 for 4 star wars and not even priority. Those are the ones who seriouly take advanage of sellers.
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Post by bec9681 on Mar 20, 2008 13:08:47 GMT -6
I have to agree with Toybox. I have never had to charge for supplies as I have tons of extra stuff from my own purchases. Boxes of all sizes, packing materials, etc. I think most people here on the forum are very good at not over-charging on shipping. I think the ones that piss people off on ebay are the ones who charge $8.00 to ship 1 action figure. I once had a guy charge me $8.00 for 4 star wars and not even priority. Those are the ones who seriouly take advanage of sellers. Those are the exact people I am talking about. Those are the people who should be suspended or booted by eBay for thier excessive shipping.
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Post by hatesminion on Mar 20, 2008 13:39:20 GMT -6
i just round out to what i think it will cost sometimes it might be a bit to much they let me know i always refund the difference, even if they already left a postive, i used to turn the free usps boxes inside out but one lady at the usps started complaining, i was like hat if it's used? is it better to throw it away? she said use it for something else, so now i go to a u-line website they have great boxes and everything else for shipping, anyway, sometimes i charge to low of shipping cost sometimes i let it go sometimes it's like 9 dollars! i ask them for the difference sometimes they do sometimes i hear nothing but it all evens out i guess, i have a question to out of country buyers... what do they charge you for an item you recieve valued at about $350 don't they charge you high taxes or something? by marking it gift, do they cancel it out?
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Post by bec9681 on Mar 20, 2008 15:11:15 GMT -6
The people that use the free Priority boxes and turn them inside out really bother me. If the Post Office catches you, they will fine you and check every one of your packages from then on. That aside it's unethical. I figure if someone is screwing over the Post Office, they are probably screwing me over too.
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Post by toyboxraider on Mar 20, 2008 15:36:44 GMT -6
There is a female on ebay right now selling a Dragonriders of the Styx Black Knight for like $11.99 (good condition and includes his shield and Sword) and she wants 7 bucks to ship him!
How is that possible??? He must be wrapped in a row of bubble wrap and shipped in a lead box!?!
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Post by sanfords2 on Mar 20, 2008 16:07:37 GMT -6
The people that use the free Priority boxes and turn them inside out really bother me. If the Post Office catches you, they will fine you and check every one of your packages from then on. That aside it's unethical. I figure if someone is screwing over the Post Office, they are probably screwing me over too. Take the box to the Post Office and show them. They'll take measures against the shipper.
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Post by clambo on Mar 20, 2008 16:43:18 GMT -6
You people. Buy or don't, sell or don't, it's that easy. There's no way to please everyone. The sellers say the buyers are the problem, the buyers say the sellers are the problem and Ebay and PayPal don't care. If the details are there, accept them or move on. If something arrives broken or they don't ship using the method expressed, than that's a different story. If you don't like the shipping price, don't buy. It's not a hard thing to grasp. Some people can't grasp why people charge handling fees. Some people can't grasp why some people don't charge these fees. I buy and sell as much if not more than most of you and I never have a problem, because, I READ THE TERMS, ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE THE AUCTION IS OVER, ANSWER EVERY QUESTION ASKED OF ME, and POST THE TERMS AND COSTS WHEN I LIST AN AUCTION. I can dig some of you just needing a place to bitch, but the ones of you looking for answers, get a grip.
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Post by toyboxraider on Mar 20, 2008 16:56:46 GMT -6
I agree with the Clamiester on one thing in particular and that is read, read, read!
If I do not like the shipping/handling/whipping/wrapping/licking charge I just do not bid. Simple as that. Same with feedback and those little rating stars, if they look bad to me I do not buy from them.
Good point you raving lunatic!
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Post by bec9681 on Mar 20, 2008 17:20:04 GMT -6
You people. Buy or don't, sell or don't, it's that easy. There's no way to please everyone. The sellers say the buyers are the problem, the buyers say the sellers are the problem and Ebay and PayPal don't care. If the details are there, accept them or move on. If something arrives broken or they don't ship using the method expressed, than that's a different story. If you don't like the shipping price, don't buy. It's not a hard thing to grasp. Some people can't grasp why people charge handling fees. Some people can't grasp why some people don't charge these fees. I buy and sell as much if not more than most of you and I never have a problem, because, I READ THE TERMS, ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE THE AUCTION IS OVER, ANSWER EVERY QUESTION ASKED OF ME, and POST THE TERMS AND COSTS WHEN I LIST AN AUCTION. I can dig some of you just needing a place to bitch, but the ones of you looking for answers, get a grip. I totally agree. My problem was that I asked a question about combined shipping, didn't get a response, and purchased anyway. Even though the seller did me wrong, it was my fault for purchasing without being sure of combined shipping.
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Post by mannyscollectibles on Mar 20, 2008 17:39:21 GMT -6
There is a female on ebay right now selling a Dragonriders of the Styx Black Knight for like $11.99 (good condition and includes his shield and Sword) and she wants 7 bucks to ship him! How is that possible??? He must be wrapped in a row of bubble wrap and shipped in a lead box!?! i think I can break it down for you...so long as it is Priority Mail shipping of course. Well here is my take..... Ebay Final Value fee- $.34 Shipping-$4.60 (with DC $5.25) PayPal Fee- $.77 Ebay Listng Fee- $.40 Box???-$.99 Packing materials- unknown For your grand total of $7.10...$7.00 sounds very much fair if you ask me. The seller is only charging $2.40 over actual shipping price. No seller, big company or not will charge actual shipping charges, NONE. Seems like people need to get a grip and stop about a few extra dollars. I am a seller as well and I add an aproximate amount over the shipping plus i take into account packing materials. I overcharge on shipping to cover fees and packaging materials, that is it. Its part of a business, hell when you use a credit card believe it or not the place is charging you to use your credit card. So long as I dont receive a box with a $2 sticker on it and i paid 10 bucks for shipping Im cool but a couple of bucks extra is totally fine. Its been said before that if one doesnt agree with the shipping and handling prices then just dont bid.
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Post by toyboxraider on Mar 20, 2008 18:09:39 GMT -6
I agree with some of that, except I shipped the same figure after selling it, for $2.40 shipping including Delivery Confirmation and it was even shipped in a very small box. The difference between Priority Mail at the $4.60 rate and regular mail is about a day to most places, maybe 2 days for coast to coast, of course if the regular rate is going to be near the same price and you can shave off a few days, use priority.
And most of the people on here crying as you put it are doing so because they are getting the 2 dollar shipping for the price of 10. (Including the "Handling" fees.)
I have bought through ebay from peers on this board and have had the figures (such as this 3 3/4 figure) shipped to me for $1.80, quadrupled wrapped in a bubble mailer. No problems at all. If it was something like a Thudercat figure, I could understand it a bit more.
There is no justification for shipping a 5 to 10 buck 3 3/4 inch figure to someone in your own country for 7 to 8 dollars. It is just ridiculous, thus read the fine print as you point out and decide for yourself. Bid or no bid, everyone is going to have their own peeves about it all.
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Post by Megatron on Mar 20, 2008 18:58:53 GMT -6
I think what pisses alot of people off is that they know shipping is like $10 or $12 but when the package comes it has a sticker on it with $3-4 for the actual postage so they got screwed out of $6-8...
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Post by skyline on Mar 21, 2008 2:20:15 GMT -6
well i've got to have a say on this as just the postage to the UK is expensive enough with out all the stupid extras the sellers put on.
Ebay Final Value fee- $.34 WHY SHOULD WE PAY THIS YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WANTED TO SELL IT!.
Shipping-$4.60 (with DC $5.25) THIS ONE IS LEGIT
PayPal Fee- $.77 AGAIN WHY SHOULD WE PAY THIS? SURELY IF PAYPAL WANTED US TO PAY THIS THEY WOULD GIVE THE CHARGE TO THE BUYER AND NOT THE SELLER!
Ebay Listng Fee- $.40 AGAIN WHY SHOULD WE PAY THIS, YOURE THE ONE WHO WANTED TO SELL IT, YOU WOULDNT GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF IT DIDNT SELL!
Box???-$.99 COME ON WHO CAN NOT GET HOLD OF FREE BOXES!, JUST REUSE THE ONES YOU GET FROM PEOPLE YOU BROUGHT FROM.
Packing materials- unknown AGAIN ITS ALL ABOUT RECYCLING, I DONT THINK I HAVE EVER RECEIVED A BRAND NEW BOX
all these charges if it was down to the buyer, ebay and paypal would charge us and not the seller, they are fees for the sellers privalige for using these services!
I am a buyer and a seller but just using those totals above it would of cose me $4.60 to post and not $7 what is a saving of $2.10 that might not sound much but if your like me and get 10 to 20 packages a week it could be a saving of $20 to $40 a week.
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Post by skyline on Mar 21, 2008 6:31:14 GMT -6
IF YOUR UNHAPPY WITH THE PRICES, DON"T BUY. IT"S NOT HARD. I totally agree with that, but that is not my argument,
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Post by clambo on Mar 21, 2008 8:54:38 GMT -6
I agree some people attach many bullshit charges. I agree with most of what your saying. I'm just saying that these people charge these crappy fees because people are buying their items. The only thing we can do is not buy these items, which doesn't really work because someone always ends up buying them. There's always new fish in the pond that don't know the shipping rates, or that have a buttload of cash and don't care. All of your complaints fall on deaf ears because Ebay and PayPal are making money and could care less what the action figure community thinks.
Ebay Final Value fee- $.34 WHY SHOULD ANYONE PAY THIS? THEY SHOULD CHARGE A ONE TIME FEE TO LIST AN ITEM AND THEN PISS OFF.
Shipping-$4.60 (with DC $5.25) THIS ONE IS LEGIT (I agree with this one)
PayPal Fee- $.77 I PERSONALLY THINK THE BUYER SHOULD PAY THIS. THEY CHOSE TO USE THIS METHOD OF PAYMENT. AS A SELLER I"LL AGREE TO TAKE PAYPAL TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE BUYER. IT DOESN"T HELP ME OUT AT ALL.
Ebay Listng Fee- $.40 AGAIN WHY SHOULD WE PAY THIS, YOURE THE ONE WHO WANTED TO SELL IT, YOU WOULDNT GET YOUR MONEY BACK IF IT DIDNT SELL! (I agree with this one)
Box???-$.99 BOXES AREN"T ALWAYS FREE, IF YOU CAN FIND ONE OR REUSE ONE, FINE. IF NOT, THE BUYER IS PAYING FOR THIS.
Packing materials- unknown I RECYCLE PLENTY OF BOXES AND PEANUTS, BUT WHEN I RUN OUT I BUY THIS STUFF. ALSO, YOU CAN'T RECYCLE TAPE.
Again, the price is in front of you, make the call based on what you feel about that price. If the price isn't listed, ask. If you don't, don't bitch when the charge is high, regardless if it's right or not. That's just the way it is. It's an online auction house full of scammers, tight wads, shill bidders, and dumbasses. It should be treated as such. Your only real protection is you.
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Post by TheWatcher on Mar 21, 2008 12:58:52 GMT -6
Well said Clambo! Hey I won a power lords Beast Machines Savior on March 5th. The seller charged me 20 bucks and I know it wasn't priority since the item is not here yet. So I know I got over charged there since I have two other Beast machines and the boxes are not overly huge.. I only charged Clambo a little over 10 for the unifigters and the box size would be about the same. The moral to the story is I would have preferred to be charged less but I really wanted the item so shipping was a I don't care in his case. I just factored shipping into the total price of the figure. If your always going to worry about shipping your never going to get what you want or be happy, so sometimes you just have to let shipping go, unles it's excessive.
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Post by hatesminion on Mar 21, 2008 14:13:22 GMT -6
I didn't know people charge the buyer the listing and final value fee, who do you charge if it goes unsold? i always figured that was the sellers cost.
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Post by sanfords2 on Mar 21, 2008 14:49:17 GMT -6
I didn't know people charge the buyer the listing and final value fee, who do you charge if it goes unsold? i always figured that was the sellers cost. If an item goes unsold, then there is no Final Value Fee.
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Post by skyline on Mar 21, 2008 14:55:10 GMT -6
I didn't know people charge the buyer the listing and final value fee, who do you charge if it goes unsold? i always figured that was the sellers cost. If an item goes unsold, then there is no Final Value Fee. that has only just started
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Post by TheWatcher on Mar 27, 2008 17:05:10 GMT -6
Here's an example of bad sellers on ebay. I won a Power Lords Beast machine Savor. I pay via paypal on March 5th. Almost 3 weeks go by and no item. I finally email the guy on Monday March 24th and he tells me he sent it on Saturday March 22nd. I got the item today Thursday March 27 and it was sent out not Saturday but Tuesday March 25th. He held the item for 20 days when he did not need to, then he lies to me about when he sent it out. Charges me $20 for shipping which I knew about and was fine but only uses $10 of it. The final big insult to injury is he said the item was Factory sealed. It was not sealed and it was broken. These are the types of people who need to be off of ebay~
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Post by TheWatcher on Mar 27, 2008 21:36:47 GMT -6
Funny thing is he has good feedback except for 5 negs and some neutrals. I am simply asking for the refund of the extra $10 he over charged for shipping. I am keeping the item as I was able to glue him back together and he can be my place holder til I get a better one. It just ticks me off how some sellers can be so irresponsible even after a buyer pays promptly. It's paid for, send it and be honest about the items condition.
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