Post by bowspearer on Oct 19, 2016 4:32:26 GMT -6
There are saome errors in the Transformers section of the Figure guide I wanted to point out.
The blurb currently reads:
Yet most of this is either inaccurate or false.
To begin with, it states:
This is inaccurate. Certainly the vast bulk of the toys were from those 2 lines, however several, including 3 prominent character toys, were not. In terms of the more obscure lines, the Deluxe Insecticons came from the Beetras toyline, while the Deluxe Autobots came from the Dorvack toyline. Then there is Jetfire, Omega Supreme and Shockwave. Jetfire was a discarded Strike Valkyire prototype, Omega Supreme was a one off toy called Mechabot-1, while Shockwave went by 2 names - Gun Borg and Astro Magnum.
In fact it should be noted that The Macross, Dorvack and Beetras toylines, actually came from the now defunct Takatoku Toys, while Mechabot-1 and Astro Magnum came from Toybox and ToyCo respectively.
In fact a more accurate wording might be:
It then goes on to say:
Firstly the notion that Hasbro solely produced the Transformers line as of 1986 is false. In fact, as of at least 1987, the Transformers line has always been an unofficial joint venture between both Hasbro and Takara, even though the same toys might be used in radically different concepts. Also the only notable times Hasbro have acted on their own - namely with Transmetal 2's, Beast Machines and Transtech, they have had, at best, lackluster levels of success.
Secondly, the notion that no pre-transformers toys or toy designs were used after 1985 is completely false. Metroplex, the Aerialbots, Protectobots, Stunticons and Combaticons, were all originally designed to be a part of the unreleased Diaclone subline called Jizai Gattai (combine freely) - in fact the third modes of Motormaster, Silverbolt, Hotpsot and Onslaught were designed to act as stations for Metroplex's city mode.
Likewise, the Trainbots from the Japanese only series Headmasters were originally from the Diaclone toyline, while Browning from Masterforce was a Microchange figure whose release even predates that of Soundwave and Megatron. In fact the trend of using pre-tf figures in later transformers series (e-Hobby exclusives aside), carried through to the late 90s, when the Microchange figure MC-14, MC-15 and MC-16 were reused as Eggbot, Eggbird and Eggleo respectively.
As such a more accurate statement would be.
It then reads:
Except that this is incorrect, it was actually 1993, not 1992. 1991 saw the release of 'exosuit' Actionmasters, Actionmaster Elites and "Classic" lines (the later being a line of G1 reissues, not to be confused with the modern "Classics" line).
Likewise, 1992 saw the release of the Turbomasters, Predators, Yellow Constructicons (which all came on the same backing card and lacked the parts to form Devastator) and Rescue Force (recoloured Breastforce figures which didn't come with their partners and were unable to combine as 2 of the figures in the set weren't released). As had been the norm with figures often having 2 year release cycles, these figures were also available in 1993, leading to the common confusion that any of these figure releases were in any way, shape or form, a part of G2; they simply never were.
It was 1993 which saw the release of the Obliterators, Trakkons, Lightformers, Stormtroopers, Aquaspeeders, Skyscorchers and Axelerators; most, if not all of which were also released as a part of the G2 toyline.
As such, it would be more accurate if the whole thing read:
The blurb currently reads:
The Transformers figures from the first 2 years came from the Diaclone and Microman Japanese robot toy lines. Beginning in 1986 Hasbro began making their own toys until the lines cancellation in America with the 7th Series in 1990. The G1 series continued in Canada and overseas until 1992. 1992 is the year where it became hard to differentiate between the G1 and G2 lines. This is because most of the toys were released in both packaging.
Yet most of this is either inaccurate or false.
To begin with, it states:
The Transformers figures from the first 2 years came from the Diaclone and Microman Japanese robot toy lines.
This is inaccurate. Certainly the vast bulk of the toys were from those 2 lines, however several, including 3 prominent character toys, were not. In terms of the more obscure lines, the Deluxe Insecticons came from the Beetras toyline, while the Deluxe Autobots came from the Dorvack toyline. Then there is Jetfire, Omega Supreme and Shockwave. Jetfire was a discarded Strike Valkyire prototype, Omega Supreme was a one off toy called Mechabot-1, while Shockwave went by 2 names - Gun Borg and Astro Magnum.
In fact it should be noted that The Macross, Dorvack and Beetras toylines, actually came from the now defunct Takatoku Toys, while Mechabot-1 and Astro Magnum came from Toybox and ToyCo respectively.
In fact a more accurate wording might be:
The Transformers figures from the first 2 years, mostly came from the Diaclone and Microman Japanese robot toy lines.
It then goes on to say:
Beginning in 1986 Hasbro began making their own toys until the lines cancellation in America with the 7th Series in 1990.
Firstly the notion that Hasbro solely produced the Transformers line as of 1986 is false. In fact, as of at least 1987, the Transformers line has always been an unofficial joint venture between both Hasbro and Takara, even though the same toys might be used in radically different concepts. Also the only notable times Hasbro have acted on their own - namely with Transmetal 2's, Beast Machines and Transtech, they have had, at best, lackluster levels of success.
Secondly, the notion that no pre-transformers toys or toy designs were used after 1985 is completely false. Metroplex, the Aerialbots, Protectobots, Stunticons and Combaticons, were all originally designed to be a part of the unreleased Diaclone subline called Jizai Gattai (combine freely) - in fact the third modes of Motormaster, Silverbolt, Hotpsot and Onslaught were designed to act as stations for Metroplex's city mode.
Likewise, the Trainbots from the Japanese only series Headmasters were originally from the Diaclone toyline, while Browning from Masterforce was a Microchange figure whose release even predates that of Soundwave and Megatron. In fact the trend of using pre-tf figures in later transformers series (e-Hobby exclusives aside), carried through to the late 90s, when the Microchange figure MC-14, MC-15 and MC-16 were reused as Eggbot, Eggbird and Eggleo respectively.
As such a more accurate statement would be.
Beginning in 1986 Hasbro and Takara jointly began making toys for the line, until the lines cancellation in America with the 7th Series in 1990, however pre-Transformer designs continued to be used well into the 1990s.
It then reads:
The G1 series continued in Canada and overseas until 1992. 1992 is the year where it became hard to differentiate between the G1 and G2 lines. This is because most of the toys were released in both packaging.
Except that this is incorrect, it was actually 1993, not 1992. 1991 saw the release of 'exosuit' Actionmasters, Actionmaster Elites and "Classic" lines (the later being a line of G1 reissues, not to be confused with the modern "Classics" line).
Likewise, 1992 saw the release of the Turbomasters, Predators, Yellow Constructicons (which all came on the same backing card and lacked the parts to form Devastator) and Rescue Force (recoloured Breastforce figures which didn't come with their partners and were unable to combine as 2 of the figures in the set weren't released). As had been the norm with figures often having 2 year release cycles, these figures were also available in 1993, leading to the common confusion that any of these figure releases were in any way, shape or form, a part of G2; they simply never were.
It was 1993 which saw the release of the Obliterators, Trakkons, Lightformers, Stormtroopers, Aquaspeeders, Skyscorchers and Axelerators; most, if not all of which were also released as a part of the G2 toyline.
As such, it would be more accurate if the whole thing read:
The Transformers figures from the first 2 years, mostly came from the Diaclone and Microman Japanese robot toy lines. Beginning in 1986 Hasbro and Takara jointly began making toys for the line, until the lines cancellation in America with the 7th Series in 1990, however pre-Transformer designs continued to be used well into the 1990s.The G1 series continued in Canada and overseas until 1993. 1993 is the year where it became hard to differentiate between the G1 and G2 lines. This is because most of the toys were released in both packaging.
