Sharing action figure info on this Website

[Megatron]

Secret??? why would it be a "secret" it's a TOY and not some government cover up?



See this is what I mean why all the secrecy about shit like this?

I'm not going to sell it I'm keeping it for my personal collection and NEED to know because I keep records of all my toys (Insurance reasons and to see if I have it off of the top of my head)

Dec 2, 2010 21:48:39 GMT -6 dfunk7 said:

Most likely your gonna be looking for a awhile, My guess is there is only a handful of people at best on these boards who know, And if there is actually anyone who knows they arent going to be letting that secret out of the bag

[muckmonster87]

yeah, to a certain degree i understand people "hiding" their favorite lines til they complete them, but at the end of the day i hate all this secrecy bullshit

[Ghouldrool]

Dec 7, 2010 23:45:43 GMT -6 muckmonster87 said:

yeah, to a certain degree i understand people "hiding" their favorite lines til they complete them, but at the end of the day i hate all this secrecy bullshit

Me too, but as an experienced collector you learn not to shoot yourself in the foot. Let's say I collect an obscure line called 'Space Invaders', or whatever. Nobody has ever heard of the line but me. I'm so excited about it I make a big post here with lots of beauty shots. After all, I want to show off my amazing collection, right?
Now ten visitors of this forum see the figures and are totally smitten with them. So, all ten of them go to Ebay and search for 'Space Invaders'. There's a MOC listed properly and all ten want it, so all ten bid. My collection was missing a MOC so I want to bid too, but the bid goes astronomical because one of the guys bidding has put in a max of € 100,00, being a vice president of a large company he doesn't care, he just wants the rare figure.
Then it happens. Several dealers who visit this site see the action on 'Space Invaders' and are now convinced these toys are 'worth something' so they start scouring Ebay too. More bidding ensues. Now every petty dealer who comes across a Space Invader will list they toys as MEGA RARE MOTU KO SPACE INVADER RARE!!! with a starting bid of € 14,99. Causing even more people to see it on Ebay and start looking for that particular line. The chances of me ever completing the set have dwindled, just because I was stupid enough to make that post. If I want the remaining Space Invaders now, I'll have to shell out big - while I won the ones before I made the post for the starting bid of € 0,99 because absolutely nobody was looking.
So yeah, we don't do that anymore.

[jongernaut]

I never thought about dealers coming here, hmm. I always assumed that everyone here had a passion for the plastic, not the paper.

I fully agree with this secrecy. Part of the joy in collecting (obscure lines) is discovering them on your own. Collecting is personal.

Even very poorly labled Ninja Assassins are getting multiple bids on the first day now. Ugg.

[Megatron]

OK with that said what if you have all of these items?...Then what?

Sorry but you could make it a PM (Hint Hint) and not out in the open...it's that simple...

[jongernaut]

Dec 8, 2010 15:34:17 GMT -6 Megatron said:

OK with that said what if you have all of these items?...Then what?

Sorry but you could make it a PM (Hint Hint) and not out in the open...it's that simple...

Hmm... Maybe there could be a "members only" section of the forum?

And in the non-member section we could pretend that Bakugan are where it's at.


OH YEAH!

[Ebessan]

I always assumed a good # of dealers/people wanting to sell venture into the "Masters of the Universe & Fantasy Cartoon Figure Lines" forum at least. MOTU always sells well and you don't have to register for that section of the board. And a lot of people wanting to show off or learn more about a line they heard the name of will start threads there, raising the price of items mentioned for someone.

[snipertoys]

If I knew the name of the KO Skeleton, I'd tell you just because you are active on this forum.

What I can't stand are people that offer no help to anyone else, but yet they always expect you to feed them information on all of these obscure lines which took some of us years to acquire. My guess is that these are the same people that cheated in school for the easy way out. There is nothing wrong with having to work a little bit in this hobby. It's a hell of a lot more gratifying when you figure something out on your own.

Again, if I had it carded and knew the name, I'd tell you.

[proteus]

i can see both sides of the argument here guys- i used to collect a line called cybog and muton- it will mean nothing to most people , it was a mego size version of japans henshin cyborg- highly articulated clear figures.anyway fiftenn years ago i used to collect these - no one knew about them, they would turn up at collectors fairs now and then,for around 25 pounds- thats 35 bucks. thats boxed- they were released in the 70s.then word ogot around that the figures were related to henshin cyborg, and a cirtain us collector was byin all he could get- some uk dealers started pushin up the price cos of this guy wanting them all pretty son it was £200 - 350 dollars for a boxed figure and they are still that much now- exposure of the toys by this collector asking everyone on the planet, and also interest in them from a very small collector base, and an oportunity to sell them to japan where they were a rare find for japanese collectors have all knocked the price up to the point where i have had to give up collecting them- i just dont have the money- other things are a million times more important.
so i can see peoples reluctance to give away details of stuff cos suddenly everyone wants one- but i understand the other guys frustration too.
however i have seen prices on things shoot up just because a toy scalper was lookin at the demand for something- so so many times. - its part of the game, i think.

[else3573]

Cosign Megatron. Keeping the secret of a toys name is just so lame to me. At the least, if someone knows the name they could PM him...All these people (not singling out anyone in here, just saying in general) say they "don't care at all about the value of their toys", yet they keep the identity guarded like it's an entry in a CIA file on alien visits. And people wonder why they call us toy collectors "geeks"... (although I'm personally all that and a bag of chips, but that's another story


*and with all the toy wiki's and internet databases and collector forums, I don't think there's too many "undiscovered" toy lines still out there...

[else3573]

Dec 8, 2010 17:41:10 GMT -6 jongernaut said:

Dec 8, 2010 15:34:17 GMT -6 Megatron said:

OK with that said what if you have all of these items?...Then what?

Sorry but you could make it a PM (Hint Hint) and not out in the open...it's that simple...

Hmm... Maybe there could be a "members only" section of the forum?

And in the non-member section we could pretend that Bakugan are where it's at.


OH YEAH!

lol, You're going to kick yourself 20 years from now when these things skyrocket

[deadpool0207]

People actually keep the identity of a toy a secret? ........ridiculous
There F$%KIN TOYS! get a grip!

[victoryleo19]

I'll admit its frustrating not being able to get a toyline's name easily. I do see the other side of the argument.

I personally like to collect Cowboys of Moo Mesa and Spiral Zone, and both of those seem to be off the radars of the "fly by night" collector which is fortunate for me. At least it gives me more urge to want to research this skeleton guy on my own!

[joeybones]

Dec 8, 2010 0:05:01 GMT -6 Ghouldrool said:

Dec 7, 2010 23:45:43 GMT -6 muckmonster87 said:

yeah, to a certain degree i understand people "hiding" their favorite lines til they complete them, but at the end of the day i hate all this secrecy bullshit

Me too, but as an experienced collector you learn not to shoot yourself in the foot. Let's say I collect an obscure line called 'Space Invaders', or whatever. Nobody has ever heard of the line but me. I'm so excited about it I make a big post here with lots of beauty shots. After all, I want to show off my amazing collection, right?
Now ten visitors of this forum see the figures and are totally smitten with them. So, all ten of them go to Ebay and search for 'Space Invaders'. There's a MOC listed properly and all ten want it, so all ten bid. My collection was missing a MOC so I want to bid too, but the bid goes astronomical because one of the guys bidding has put in a max of € 100,00, being a vice president of a large company he doesn't care, he just wants the rare figure.
Then it happens. Several dealers who visit this site see the action on 'Space Invaders' and are now convinced these toys are 'worth something' so they start scouring Ebay too. More bidding ensues. Now every petty dealer who comes across a Space Invader will list they toys as MEGA RARE MOTU KO SPACE INVADER RARE!!! with a starting bid of € 14,99. Causing even more people to see it on Ebay and start looking for that particular line. The chances of me ever completing the set have dwindled, just because I was stupid enough to make that post. If I want the remaining Space Invaders now, I'll have to shell out big - while I won the ones before I made the post for the starting bid of € 0,99 because absolutely nobody was looking.
So yeah, we don't do that anymore.

This was written on page 2 of this thread.

[deadpool0207]

and? whats your point ...........if its about the figures after market value someone already stated that this figure sold for 130 dollar on Ebay which would make that entire statment moot

Or is that the answer to the question

[skullbooska]

I completely agree with deadpool0207. This is supposed to be a community. Im relatively new to the site, but have belonged to plenty of motu-realted toy forums before, and that alone has been the reason I left, because there wasnt a community. I have one of these figures, and I enjoy him immensely, but I dont know what to tell people when they ask "whats that from?"... I got excited when i saw this thread because I thought, "sweet, ID time!"... but instead people stonewall others. Where's the community in that?
Sigh, looks like poor Skully will remain a mysterious John Doe.

[THE KNOCK-OFF MESSIAH]

ive posted this before and ill post it again. the reason people dont want to share certain information is that all previous information shared has been suddenly the new hot and everybody and thier mom has to own the whole set and every variant ever so they can have the biggest baddest collection ever. thats not the goal of me or any of those i generally involve myself with im an archivist i was the first and ill be the last. i earned my knowledge and didnt just go to some site and copy it all. i was before these kinda forums even existed. i was on this one since day 1 and the guide sports all pix i took. i understand its frustrating to not know and to know others know. but think about the feeling of not knowing and having to actually find out with research and hunting. no one is trying to disrespect anyone they just ask for the respect of privacy.

[10incher]

I cleaned out a whole page of argument posts in this thread (and left any that contribute to the discussion) - everyone has the right to share information if they want to or not and I understand both points of view on this. If it can't be discussed civilly, I will simply lock the thread.

[Megatron]

Yes but if the ONLY information you can get is the actual card then how can other people find out? Listen if you have the figures then why not PM the info then if you scared that someone else might "Let the cat out of the bag" then you could know where it came from. And sorry but since when did a $2-3 MOTU Knockoff become a "hot item" it didn't it's just people trying to make it something out of nothing. And as far as using this site ONLY for info some of us on here actually come here for the WHOLE package and are collector's not "investors" or going to re-sell it on E-Bay. If it wasn't for all this secrecy crap things would be different.And I can see if you found a hard to find RARE piece of REAL collectible line line TF,G.I. Joe etc. and don't want people to find out but common this is a common bootleg I'm not going to find out what it is then buy up all the stock and price gouge everyone to death...Just give up the info we all are adults here are we not? This is childish to keep "Secrets"

[cyberwolf76]

Another point is that by revealing a toyline suddenly all the collectors worldwide know what they have and can list it on ebay where you can buy it. There must be thousands of knock off he-men toy lines/figures out there including the weapons that have yet to be discovered . I didn't know what i was looking for until I saw alot of the pictures and the info on this site .Now i can look through all the toyfares, garage sales, swap meets etc here (In Australia) and know what I am looking for .....Then when I find doubles (because i want a set for myself) I can sell them on ebay and members here have a chance to own Australian versions of these figures where they would never have had the chance had I and other Aussies not been informed. we would think them garbage and they would continue to circulate through childrens hands being worn out as toys. And yes if I ever discovered what that skeleton knock off figure is that skullbooska owns i'd tell him. Also i'll keep idying every weapon and part i know on the parts id area because its fun and others will surely help me in the future.

[tootles]

I am firmly in the no secrecy camp, and have posted information about obscure lines on my site. From an historical perspective, it is my opinion that keeping secrets has been a hindrance. Many scientists used to keep their discoveries under wraps in an effort to personally gain from their discoveries. This may have been beneficial to the individual scientists, but it most definitely held back the discipline.

In addition to helping the collecting community as a whole, another reason not to keep secrets is that some secret series may be considered worthless and discarded. It would be a shame if that last figure you were looking for was binned because Johnny did not know it was worth saving.