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Post by TheWatcher on Feb 24, 2008 14:12:09 GMT -6
Hello and I'm not sure if this topic is in the right thread but it does pertain to collecting, so I hope it does not get moved. Anyways lately the topic of having very deep pockets has come up in other threads. There are some members on this board who have been very blessed and I'm not knocking them for their fortune. People who work hard or smart deserve to reap the benfits. But I personally get the impression that to admit that you have shallow pockets is like saying a dirty word. I don't have very deep pockets and usually my pockets are pretty empty. I admit it. I work in the educational field and I have not been as fortunate as others. I don't know why but that is the way things have worked out.
It is very frustrating to collect like this BUT my family always comes first. I have a wife, 2 sons and also help my mom and grandparents pay their bills. After everything is said and done, I don't have much to devote to collecting so I miss out on plenty. I am very grateful for what I have but I have to admit that when I see others grand collections I feel really bad. I wish I could come close to other's collections but I can't. I have to be very surgically specific about what I buy because for me every purchase has to get my collection ahead. I just don't have the means to waste. Often times I feel like a second rate collector. The economy has really made it hard to have any extra cash as well and it just keeps getting harder and harder to pay for gas, pay bills, take care of 2 growing boys and expect to have any money for collecting. Someday it might be a realization that I can't collect anymore, not because I don't want to but because I can't. Collecting toys is a hobby I love but family comes first.
These are just my feelings, I guess, in a way to release my frustration as I just feel very depressed right now. I'm sure there are others who have it worse but I just wanted to guage if there are others who have to collect on a bidget like myself or if being poor and collecting is considered a dirty word. Like some sort of bad joke. I have often seen people get frustrated and just vent in a post and other mmbers come on and say things like, " hey if you can't afford your bills, you shouldn't be collecting." That's true but it doesn't mean it doesn't hurt you to not be able to do someting you love because you can't. Like eating is food for the body, collecting toys is food for the soul for me. I'm a religious person and I try not to want but sometimes it gets the best of you cause after all we are still just HUMAN. I don't think someone who has never been in that position would understand.
These are my thoughts and If I sound like I'm whining, I'm sorry! I just needed to vent and get my thoughts out. So please don't come and post telling me to shut up or to just work more or get a different job because sometimes it's not that easy. Bills don't wait for job switches or boys still need to eat. If someone out there doen't like what I'm saying, you don't have to tell me. Just like I have a rigt to post my toughts ( as long as they are not vulgar or hurtful, which they are not) you have a right to not have to hear or read them, Thanx to you all, Pablo Mendez~
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Post by skyline on Feb 24, 2008 15:13:42 GMT -6
Hi I totally understand what your saying, I dont have much money either I have a 2 year old son and a 7 year old daughter, a house car bills etc, so what I did i brought a few collections took what I wanted and sold the rest on to pay for more, I started that about 5 years ago and now have a rather large collection but it has all paid for itself.
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Post by bec9681 on Feb 24, 2008 15:33:50 GMT -6
Hey man, I feel your pain. I have twin daughters that are almost 3 years old and a 6 month old son. My wife is a stay-at-home mom so my income is the only income. At any rate, I collect all that I can these days but I have to do it on the cheap. Go to garage sales and flea markets - hunt for the figures you want but do it cheaply. I also will buy lots from people or on eBay that contain a figure or two that I want - then sell the rest off and make some (or all) of your $$ back. I don't have any problems with the folks that want to spend their money and pay a lot - to be honest with you I don't like to pay that much for toys anyway. It's way more fun to find it on the cheap! All in all remember - they are just toys!
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Post by sanfords2 on Feb 24, 2008 18:57:59 GMT -6
Yes, some people on the board have really nice collections. And some of them were able to build their collections in a relatively short amount of time with persistence, luck and deep pockets. For me, I spend a lot of time going to garage sales and flea markets, and the best feeling in the world is finding a rare or hard to find figure that you don't have for a quarter. I remember digging through a laundry basket full of toddler toys last summer and finding a Daggit with an intact tail for only a dime. Those are the finds you remember. Those are the finds that make collecting satisfying and worthwhile.
You have your priorities straight. Family comes first. I remember hassling Commander because he was having family problems, was sick for a while, and hadn't had a job for who knows how long, and he's out there buying Star Trek figures! There's one guy that didn't have his priorities in line.
I guess what I'm trying to say is don't feel bad that your collection isn't up to par with other collectors. My collection isn't that great either. Most of my figures have paint wear, are incomplete, and a few are missing limbs. That's the best I can do right now, but it's my collection. When my nephews come over, they always want to see my toys. They don't care about condition and completeness or which ones are rare. They just love seeing my toys because they think they're cool and that kinda makes me proud to have them.
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Post by clambo on Feb 24, 2008 20:06:38 GMT -6
Shallow pockets is not a dirty word. I had the shallowest of pockets for many years getting to where I am now. I have a two yr. old son, two dogs, a mortgage payment, and many bills, but make more money now than I used to. The economy is shit, I've lost two jobs to cutbacks, one for each of Bush's terms. Thank god that era is coming to a close. I work hard and I work a lot and normally travel with work a bunch. I'm also lucky to be working in the field that I work in. I love it. I have been laid up the last few weeks with a back injury, but i'll be heading back to work in the next couple weeks. My wife is a teacher, she went to school for 7 yrs, has a masters degree and makes less than me. It's bullshit. I didn't go to college. I couldn't afford it at the time and didn't want the loans. At 20 I had $58,000 worth of medical bills from an accident that collapsed my lungs and I had no insurance, living on my own. I've been pretty lucky to dig out of that, but it took years and a ton of hard work. Needless to say my collecting was put on hold for years. I've always collected within my means and think I always will. I love looking at other peoples collections no matter how big or small. I don't look at collections and say "damn, that collection sucks" or "man, my collection smokes that one". No matter how big or nice your collection or my collection or any of our collections are, someone else will always have a bigger or nicer collection somewhere. That doesn't mean i've ever looked at my collection and been disappointed with it. It would definitely make me want more or better items, but that's a part of collecting. I want my particular collection to be as clean as possible, someone else may want all MOC items, or someone else may only want super heroes, or 8" figures only, whatever. Everyones collection is a reflection of themselves and their tastes. That is something that should not be judged. Not to mention some people on here have been collecting for 20+ yrs while some for only 2 months. That's why we are all here on this site, to admire each others collections, share info, share experiences, and grow. There are some that take advantage of this info and site strictly for personal gain, but what comes around, goes around. I have a big collection. I like to photograph it and share it. I try to include as much in my pics as I can, for reference or for enjoyment. I'm not trying to rub my collection in anyones face or to make anyone feel bad. I'm just proud of my collection and have worked hard to get a lot of it. Be proud of your collection. The fact that you do think of your family first says a lot about the type of person you are and that's far more important than how big or what condition your collection is in.
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Post by toyboxraider on Feb 24, 2008 20:51:19 GMT -6
Hey Paul,
I think everyone has summed it up well so far, and thus leaving me without much to add (as if that would stop me), but I would like to say that I am right there with you when it comes to budget.
Most of you already know I was a soldier at one time and then medically retired into a chair, but I have not spoken often of my middle child on here. She is 11 and is the second of my three girls and she has sever Autism with no verbal skills. My wife has been a mother at home with my girls for our whole marriage so we have lived on Private to NCO pay and now only my retirement. With that comes so many bills for my daughter and myself medically, and even though we still have hospital benefits when dealing with Autism and MD we seek out every professional available and try our best to reach recovery. In the end recovery will be costly in more ways than one, but right now it hits the billfold.
Even with all that in mind and my budget set I have made mistakes before by overspending. Some mistakes that have even affected a few of my friendships in the community, so I know exactly what it is like to have to bow out of things, let others go for the gold, etc...
Luckily we are in this community though and thus I have also gained much help from you and others in building my collection. Like Sans said, also, my collection is no where near mint or complete and sometimes I like it like that cause it makes it look played with and I do not have to worry when things fall or the kinds play with them.
I think the recent events you speak of are largely due to what Clam and others involved have pointed out and not about making the rest of us feel poorer.
I also think it can be assumed that our collections, personalities and cash flow are as diverse as our opinions are in this community, and that is just the way it should be. I am glad you brought this up though, cause I made an anouncement similar months ago to apologize to those I had let down with cash deals, so I do understand and sympathize!
I think we all do.
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Post by mrjayberry on Feb 24, 2008 21:02:17 GMT -6
I call toys with a little paint wear well loved, most of my guys are well loved. There are plenty of people on here who don't have spectacular collections. I don't own a single toyline complete myself, I'm not even with in one or two figures of one. What I do have is a shelf or two of figures I love, and a couple drawerfuls of guys that are pretty cool.
I just stick to cheaper toylines, I'd love to get a Dino Rider collection together but I can't afford to they just cost to much so I collect Muscles they cost from .50 to 1.00 a piece and at this point I'm trading for most the ones I need left. Also just keep being patiant.
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Post by TheWatcher on Feb 24, 2008 21:40:14 GMT -6
I appreciate everyone's input and compassion. I guess sometimes I get lost in what everybody else has or can get. I just struggle to complete my Masters or Star wars collections with out venturing into knock-offs or rare stuff. I just feel so behind. Ya see all my life I have never been very good at anything or thought I would amount to much. It would be nice just to stand out for something and not be the guy lost in the background. Bad self-esteem., I guess. Collecting helped me just forget about alot of that insecurity and now I can't even collect like I use to since there is so much competition and I'm just poor, lol. One more thing I am not very good at it like everything else in my life. So you can see how a person can get down when all these feelings are spinning around inside. I'm going blind too which really frustrates me, as u can tell by my spelling mistake, lol. I thank everyone for the kind words and if I can help anyone out just let me know. I just have some thinking to do, Paul~
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Post by clambo on Feb 24, 2008 21:55:01 GMT -6
There's a lot of people out there that have it much worse. Try to think of the glass as half full rather than half empty.
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Post by TheWatcher on Feb 25, 2008 0:22:14 GMT -6
Thanx Clambo, I don't even know you but yet you try to help me be positive. Thanx to everyone. I hope I can help all of you someday in someway, I just have to think of how. I have thought it out after blasting Led Zeppelin. and also had a talk with my wife. I think I will just take some time off of collecting and focus on some things. Take a break to get a new perspective on things, maybe not feel so beat down. I will finish up my deals but a break sounds good, Paul~
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Post by 10incher on Feb 25, 2008 1:49:22 GMT -6
Paul, taking a break sometimes can really be a good thing, don't let stuff get ya down. Always try to remember what it was about collecting that you enjoyed so much in the first place and try and focus on that. My entire collection has been financed from my Ebay sales and figures that I sell on this site (I rarely even sell action figures on Ebay for the last number of years). Pretty much any money I make selling goes right back into my collection. If you ever decide to try your hand at doing allot more selling on Ebay for extra cash, drop me a line. There are tons of non action-figure items you can pick up at thrift stores, flea markets and garage sales to make extra collecting cash. It has taken me many years sorting out what sells and what doesn't, and I'm always happy to share info on what to look out for for resale.
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Post by drbo on Feb 25, 2008 8:54:11 GMT -6
"Collecting helped me just forget about alot of that insecurity and now I can't even collect like I use to since there is so much competition and I'm just poor, lol. "
With these board they're a dynamic far from competition IMO, see it a bunch of dude just wanting to help each other trade off stuff, ID them, share information and all to help each other complete and just enjoy their collection.
I have empty pocket now and then and when I still want to enjoy collecting in these times I usually, like Sanfords pointed, look more toward flea market and the salvation army stuff to still have the thrill of the hunt while not spending much. Or more simply, I take the time to classify and make some order in my collection, which is just as enjoyable and don't cost a dime since it's stuff you already have... It's also a chance to get rid of doubles, sell extra stuff and all and keep things rolling while being on a budget.
Also, from time to time putting the collection in boxes, leaving it that way for some time and re-discover allow to put some energy elsewhere, save pennies and enjoy it's collection in a different light. I know I have a rotation to display my stuff. That way I don't become dulled by the sight of what I have and enjoy displaying back some older stuff.
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Post by treckmeyer on Feb 25, 2008 9:31:50 GMT -6
All great points, lots of good support. For my two cents, I would say I have gone through a few breaks, where you just don't have the cash, or the interest to collect. But, I have found that the interest always comes back. My cash flow hasn't been good lately, and I haven't bought anything, in many months. But, I still read the boards here, and I still like to look at my collection. My daughter looks and plays with my stuff regularly, and it always makes me happy to see that. I too, have 2 kids, and I'll just say this, don't let collecting or anything else get you down. You have children that are healthy, and they love you. You provide what they need, and that makes you a winner. There are many people in life who don't want the kids they have, or don't care for them at all. You caring for your family, is the best thing in the world, and that makes you a winner. Not having a complete collection, or a lot of money to collect more, is very insignificant, compared to caring for your family and loving your kids. Keep you head up, and take your kids to the park. That'll get you out of the dumps.
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Post by toyboxraider on Feb 25, 2008 11:42:22 GMT -6
And if you ever need to talk we are all here for you, on the net or at home. You can always ask for my number and I am sure others agree. You have been a great friend to me and I would always extend my hand and attention to you if you ever needed to talk. Again I do understand that life is hard sometimes so feel free to speak up whenever you need to.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 25, 2008 15:44:13 GMT -6
Thanx Clambo, I don't even know you but yet you try to help me be positive. Thanx to everyone. I hope I can help all of you someday in someway, I just have to think of how. I have thought it out after blasting Led Zeppelin. and also had a talk with my wife. I think I will just take some time off of collecting and focus on some things. Take a break to get a new perspective on things, maybe not feel so beat down. I will finish up my deals but a break sounds good, Paul~ On the one hand, I feel very badly for you. It really comes down to the haves and the have nots and, regrettably, compensation is rarely proportionate to how hard you work or how much of a difference you make. It amazes me that, in some cities, firefighters are hired on a volunteer basis. What the heck? I teach too, but my father (who had worked hard to put away a considerable amount of money) passed away and left it all to me. To this day, I have no idea how to feel about it. For the most part, I feel very fortunate that I don't have to worry too much about mortgages and bills, but then I think of what it cost me. Anyway, on the other hand, the reason your finances are so strained is that you are blessed with a family which, in my opinion, is the greatest ebay snipe of all. Finding the right partner, settling down, raising kids -- wow. You have it made in the shade, my friend, even when it's intensely exhausting and stressful. I'm sure you know how lucky you are, but it's an important component in this puzzle we're assembling in this thread. I guess the last thing I'll say is that, as a guy with money to burn, I have definitely found that my acquisitions hold less meaning then they used to. Yeah, it pissed me off to no end when some other bidder outdid me on an item I really wanted, and I couldn't go higher. On the other hand, when you can buy nearly anything you want, it takes a lot of the feeling of success away. Similarly, when your shelf is overflowing with toys, you appreciate each individual one less. You look at it less, spend less time with it, and spend more time focusing on acquiring more. I've tried to put myself back on a toy budget, but I just can't make myself follow it. That's weird, because I'm usually very disciplined, but I cannot say no to a toy I really want. I often miss the days when I had to. No, my point is definitely not "rich guys have it harder." There's no way that I agree with that statement. I'm simply offering another perspective -- the positive aspects of your situation. You have every right to feel frustrated and defeated, but maybe considering the pricelessness of your family and the preciousness of the toys you do own will lessen the pain somewhat. I hope this helped. Feel better, man.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 25, 2008 16:02:24 GMT -6
Just wanted to add another thought.
I run a very small Transformers trading website (www.spacebridge2000.com) which puts me in contact with buyers on a regular basis. There isn't much there right now, but I tend to trade mostly in exceptionally rare bootleg TFs for which some collectors pay massive amounts of money.
The thing is, by and far, most of my buyers are single guys in their early 30s with no family or romantic partners. They have the money to burn, not because they've got better jobs, but because they have nothing else to spend it on. I feel badly for those guys. They can drop $250 on a rare one-of-a-kind item but, at the end of the day, they have little else in their lives.
Please understand that I'm in no way criticizing my customers, nor insinuating that this is true for all of my customers, but it is a highly disturbing trend. I think you're far better off than many of them are.
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Post by TheWatcher on Feb 25, 2008 19:57:49 GMT -6
Again, Thanx to everyone who felt the desire to reach out and express some very good thoughs. It's been support all the way and I thank you, I probably will take a break off the online and look more at thrift stores, flea markes and swap meets as some ave uggessed. That way I can look but not spend alot.
I had a nice find today. I stopped at a Thrift Store today and in a toy bin found some vintage Fischer Price Little people parts, animals and people from the circus set, a FP cash register, a FP musical baby ball marked 66' and an adventure people tent. I bought it for $5 bucks and it felt good. It felt so much better when I got home and shared it with my boys. They loved playing with the Cash register. My son exclaimed, "This is a cool toy dada, " Dada is what he calls me, lol almost made me cry to see them love toys older then them. Thanx again and I can not express the appreciation I have for so many just giving words of encouragement. I will make it up to each and everyone of you in some way, Thanx Paul~
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Post by shaxper on Feb 26, 2008 4:39:48 GMT -6
Again, Thanx to everyone who felt the desire to reach out and express some very good thoughs. It's been support all the way and I thank you, I probably will take a break off the online and look more at thrift stores, flea markes and swap meets as some ave uggessed. That way I can look but not spend alot. I had a nice find today. I stopped at a Thrift Store today and in a toy bin found some vintage Fischer Price Little people parts, animals and people from the circus set, a FP cash register, a FP musical baby ball marked 66' and an adventure people tent. I bought it for $5 bucks and it felt good. It felt so much better when I got home and shared it with my boys. They loved playing with the Cash register. My son exclaimed, "This is a cool toy dada, " Dada is what he calls me, lol almost made me cry to see them love toys older then them. Thanx again and I can not express the appreciation I have for so many just giving words of encouragement. I will make it up to each and everyone of you in some way, Thanx Paul~ Man, you just made my day. I'm really happy to hear you had such a positive experience
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Post by drbo on Feb 26, 2008 12:08:00 GMT -6
Same here, real glad to hear it.
A collection, after all it's a hobby, something to make us have fun and feel good. And a good pretext to interact with people, socialize, learn and share some views.
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Post by therealmogwai on Mar 12, 2008 13:18:57 GMT -6
this board must be located in the 5th dimesion. I have never been a member of such a caring community in my life. This place is crazy! Im so glad i stumbled upon it!
with regards to collections and collecting... who cares the size or the value of a collection? The collection is a reflection of the person's tastes...or at least it should be. Besides i\d never win a pissing contest with my DIck tracys and captain power collection! LOL
glad to be here!
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Post by robomonkey on Mar 12, 2008 16:07:16 GMT -6
I think one of the biggest problems with toy collectors is that many of them tend to think of collecting as a competition. It shouldn't be all about who had the biggest baddest collection. Many people don't understand that it's not really about WHAT you have, but WHY you have it. I work at a comic shop that deals in vintage toys and I have to deal with these clowns all of the time. These idiots will come in and ramble on about how they have a boxed USS Flagg, but want to drop a few hundred bucks for another one for display OR about how they just dropped some ungodly amount of money on some AFA graded Transformer. It's all about what the toys they have are worth. It's all about how much money they've spent and they throw it around left and right. It's sad really and I could really care less about them, cause at the end of the day these are the same guys that could really give a shit about the hobby and have zero passion as to what they collect. Most don't even take the toys out of the packages and really know nothing about what they collect aside from what Lee's says. I love toys and they are a huge part of my life, be it the design or the nostalgia that draws me to them. Like I said before, it's not really about what I have, but why I have it. THATS what makes a true collector to me. As long as you got that, you should be good *Steps off soapbox....
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Post by TheWatcher on Mar 12, 2008 17:38:02 GMT -6
I agree with alot of what you say Robomonkey, but these clowns do have an effect on how collectors collect. I have always said, if all these toys became worthless tomorrow, that would be great as I coul buy more. I truly love to collect and I'm not so much interested in the competition aspect of it. I don't collect G.I. Joe or Transformers because they never appealed to me. I had a few as a kid but never got into them. What bothers me and still bothers me is guys like this can blow alot of money on say a USS Flag and that sets a trend for mow much people expect to get for these items. The more people pay, the higher the overall accepted price becomes. Someone like myself on a budget as family comes first, can't pay $700 hundred for something like that, so I will probably never have it. Many toys prices are getting like that and it is depresing to think I will miss out on toys I really want because of price. Whereas other guys with deep pockets or deep pockets and no passion for the hobby can have multiples of expenive things. It really bothers me. Maniacmattyboy I think is his name, is selling off his collections on ebay and they are going for alot of money. Unlike that guy or many, I will never sell my collections. There are always other ways to come up with cash and toys are much more to me then just some investment. Paul~
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Post by clambo on Mar 12, 2008 21:56:58 GMT -6
There are different ways to collect and everyone has there own reasons why they collect. What you're talking about now applies to every aspect of life. Some people want fancy cars but can't afford them, some people want to travel but are unable. Try spending more time focusing on yourself and the things you have rather than being bothered because some people are more fortunate. It's a waste of your time and energy for something that isn't going to change with your current mentality. The problem to me seems more with yourself than with collecting. I suspect if you did have $700 and bought a USS Flagg, there would be something else that was unattainable that would bother you. Work on refocusing your energy into something positive.
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Post by TheWatcher on Mar 12, 2008 23:04:00 GMT -6
I think if I had $700 to blow on a USS Flag which is basically a toy, then I wouldn't have much trouble attaining much. I have nothing against those who are fortunate, but sometimes it's tough to compete when other people have more resources to call on and you get beat on something you wanted to complete a line. It can really get to a person when that happens often enough.
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Post by clambo on Mar 12, 2008 23:18:55 GMT -6
It happens to all of us. I get beat on auctions about half the time. That makes me appreciate my wins that much more, not get bummed because I'm not winning everything I want. It's a matter of perspective and you would be much happier if you could work on changing yours a bit. You focus too much on the negative aspects of collecting.
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Post by treckmeyer on Mar 13, 2008 8:42:37 GMT -6
alright, so I agree with the issue with the investor collector. I hate them also. I can't wait for the day that the bottom falls out of the toy collecting industry. Then everything will be dirt cheap. I'll be able to buy everything I've ever wanted. Of course, I'll have wasted a bunch of money on everything I've already bought, but oh well . . . .
I also appreciate what clambo is saying. Think more about the fun of collecting, the hunt for that toy you had as a kid. That's where I put my focus. I collect lines I enjoy. Don't worry about what you are missing out on. Who needs a Flagg. Too damn big to put anywhere anyway! (Although, I'd buy one, if I found a good deal, like 100 bucks or something. ) Anyway, don't worry about those high rollers. Besides, they aren't all spending their cash willy nilly. I'm sure there are many people who refuse to spend that much on toys, even if they have the money to do so. If they did, they'd have their collections completed much too quickly, and wouldn't have anything left to look for. What fun would that be?
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Post by aeutlutian on Mar 13, 2008 13:40:17 GMT -6
<quote>The thing is, by and far, most of my buyers are single guys in their early 30s with no family or romantic partners. They have the money to burn, not because they've got better jobs, but because they have nothing else to spend it on. I feel badly for those guys. They can drop $250 on a rare one-of-a-kind item but, at the end of the day, they have little else in their lives.<qoute/>
I used to be this guy but more in my early 20's I am now in my Early 30's and I once had a Vast collection but I made Sacrifices. My grandfather died and my grandmother couldn't take care of herself so at 25 I started taking care of my grandmother and let me tell you alhiemzers.is no fun, Changing elderly diapers no fun, all the money I had made on the Dot com wave , stocks , bonds , savings are all gone now, , My grandmother passed away a few years ago, but I have just recently been able to rise to the surface to actually go to garage sales and flea markets , (I refuse to use ebay) , I am slowly working back to having a complete line of Thundercats ,,,,,,slowly ... basically Collecting is a life long venture it comes in waves of feast and Famine
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Post by dannyrand on Mar 13, 2008 13:40:33 GMT -6
Bottom Line: Collect for yourself and within your means and don't let anybody else bring you down. I agree with Clambo on this, think POSITIVELY . Maybe you have something that someone else is envious over? Some Toy whores are annoying idiots who need to get a life. While some are totally cool, and just really love the hobby, and have taken it to another level. In my brief time here, I think the majority of collectors on this board fall into the latter category. You put your family first and that is the right thing to do. Don't let those guys get to you. Obviously they are compensating for something else. -Chad
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Post by TheWatcher on Mar 13, 2008 21:46:51 GMT -6
I had a chat with Clambo and he really made me see things clearly. Gave me a kick in the butt but I see what he is saying. I promised him I'd try to be more positive. I appreciate everyone being so helpful and I will try.to be better but give me a little slack if I mess up. Don't all line up at once to kick me in the ass, lol. I may have no ass left.
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Post by dannyrand on Mar 14, 2008 8:06:11 GMT -6
Glad to hear that watcher. -Chad
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